Committee Summary for House Science, Technology and Energy (01/13/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title
Unclear 00:04:13.599 - 8:05:04 AM	General Working Session	Unclear
Unclear 01:44:37.000 - 9:45:28 AM	General Working Session	Unclear
Unclear 06:15:31.280 - 2:16:22 PM	General Working Session	Unclear

Unclear: Michael Vose, Chair of Science, Technology, and Energy Committee, representing Rockingham District 5, Epping Information Only00:04:13.599 - 8:05:04 AM; Chair Michael Vose opened the session by welcoming members to the kickoff session of the Science, Technology, and Energy Committee for the 2025-2026 legislative session. He outlined that the first hour would be dedicated to committee orientation, where members would discuss how the committee operates, introduce themselves, and establish ground rules for conduct. Vose emphasized the importance of the committee's role in conducting public hearings and executive sessions. He also provided practical advice on where to store personal items such as coats and lunches within the legislative office building. He stressed the importance of punctuality, requesting members to arrive before the start time of 9:00 a.m. and to notify their respective caucus leaders if unable to attend. Additionally, Vose discussed the expectation of appropriate attire, suggesting business casual as a standard. He also covered rules regarding food and beverages, medical emergencies, and the use of electronic devices during meetings, indicating a preference for minimal use to maintain focus on public testimony. Vose introduced the concept of a central repository for committee notes and information, stored in a filing cabinet drawer assigned to each member. He also touched on security protocols and the importance of knowing emergency exits. Finally, he shared his personal background, detailing his history in New Hampshire, his career in technology and journalism, and his personal interests, before passing the microphone for further introductions.
Unclear: Representative Doug Thomas, Vice Chair of Science, Technology, and Energy Committee, representing Laconia Information Only00:24:48.240 - 8:25:39 AM; Representative Doug Thomas introduced himself as the Vice Chair of the Science, Technology, and Energy Committee, entering his sixth term. He shared his background, mentioning his move to New Hampshire at age 9, his education in Orford and Hanover, and his military service in the Air Force, where he specialized in munitions maintenance and later worked as a support contractor. Thomas highlighted his involvement in local community activities, such as coaching and leading roles in the Salem Youth Soccer Association and the New Hampshire Soccer Association. He expressed his interest in serving on the committee due to the rising importance of energy issues, which has become a significant focus of the committee's work. Thomas welcomed any discussions, particularly about travel and cruising, and emphasized his commitment to ensuring New Hampshire remains a leading state.
Unclear: JD Bernardi, Committee Clerk, originally from Northwest Minnesota, now residing in Portsmouth, NH Information Only00:28:51.399 - 8:29:42 AM; JD Bernardi introduced himself, sharing his background and journey to New Hampshire. He mentioned his education in biochemistry at the University of Minnesota, his service in the Navy's submarine force, and his subsequent move to New Hampshire in 1975 during an overhaul at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. After his active duty, he continued in the reserves and attended Franklin Pierce Law Center, now UNH Law, and practiced corporate law before heading regulatory and quality assurance departments in pharmaceutical and biotech companies. He has been involved in approving four different drugs. Bernardi also shared his community involvement, having served on Southampton's Zoning Board of Adjustment for the last 10 years, with the last five as its chair. He is currently in his third term and second term as the committee clerk. His hobbies include history, gardening, horticulture, and genealogy.
Unclear: Representative Kat McGee, representing Hillsboro 35 (Hollis), NH Information Only00:31:36.440 - 8:32:27 AM; Representative Kat McGee introduced herself, noting her fourth term on the Science, Technology, and Energy Committee. She shared her background as a Navy brat born in Newport Naval Hospital, her education in Boston Public Schools, and her subsequent studies at UMass Boston and a school in England. McGee discussed her career in business and technology, including her time at John Hancock Financial and Skillsoft. She mentioned her involvement in a task force in Hollis to address a pipeline project, which led to changes in the project's path. Her interest in energy policy stems from her understanding of its complexity and the importance of making informed decisions.
Unclear: Representative Tom Corman, representing Grafton 15 (Lebanon), NH Information Only00:37:00.119 - 8:37:51 AM; Representative Tom Corman introduced himself as the deputy ranking member in his second term. He shared his background in electrical engineering and computer science from Princeton and MIT, where he co-authored a textbook that became widely successful. After working at MIT, he moved to Dartmouth as a computer science professor, eventually directing the Dartmouth College writing program. Corman retired from Dartmouth and moved into public service in Lebanon, inspired by his late wife's involvement in the community. His technical background led him to the Science, Technology, and Energy Committee, where he has been learning about energy.
Unclear: Representative Janine, representing California originally, now in NH Information Only00:40:08.400 - 8:40:59 AM; Representative Janine introduced herself, mentioning her origins in California and her move to New Hampshire in 1998. She shared her political journey, including her roles as majority whip, Deputy Republican floor leader, and now assistant Majority Leader. She is involved with the American Legislators Exchange Council as the task force chair for communications and technology. Janine also shared personal interests, such as running marathons and her love for her grandchildren.
Unclear: Representative Lucius Parall, representing Marlow, NH Information Only00:41:54.040 - 8:42:45 AM; Representative Lucius Parall introduced himself, mentioning his third term and his move to New Hampshire 30 years ago. He shared his educational background in audio engineering, music, and business, and his career in arts administration and music teaching. Parall expressed his concern about climate change and his commitment to public service post-retirement. His hobbies include cooking, playing guitar, and hosting a monthly sea shanty sing.
Unclear: Representative Tom P, representing Belknap 1 (New Hampton and Center Harbor), NH Information Only00:43:48.480 - 8:44:39 AM; Representative Tom P introduced himself, mentioning his representation of Belknap 1, which includes New Hampton and Center Harbor. He shared his background in backpacking and his move to New Hampshire in 2008. Tom P has been involved in emergency medical services for 43 years and is currently serving his third term on the Science and Technology Committee.
Unclear: Representative Wendy Thomas, representing Merrimack (Hillsboro 12), NH Information Only00:44:56.520 - 8:45:47 AM; Representative Wendy Thomas introduced herself, clarifying no relation to Doug Thomas, and mentioned her representation of Merrimack. She shared her background in clinical microbiology, computer systems, and instructional design, as well as her involvement in journalism and teaching. Wendy Thomas highlighted her work on water quality issues in Merrimack and her interests in renewable energy, climate, and health care. She also mentioned a family anecdote about Alexander Hamilton.
Unclear: Representative Dr. James Summers, representing Rockingham District 20 (Plaistow, Newton, and Southampton), NH Information Only00:46:41.160 - 8:47:32 AM; Representative Dr. James Summers introduced himself, mentioning his representation of Rockingham District 20 and his third term on the Science, Technology, and Energy Committee. He shared his move from Texas 25 years ago and his career in the IT sector, including founding and being CEO of an IT network engineering company. Summers mentioned his educational achievements, including a doctorate from Liberty University and ongoing studies in legal studies. He also shared his military background as a nuclear engineer on submarines and his interest in small-scale nuclear energy. His hobbies include coaching football, golfing, and teaching at universities.
Unclear: Representative Ned Reynolds, representing Rockingham 33 (Portsmouth), NH Information Only00:48:46.079 - 8:49:37 AM; Representative Ned Reynolds introduced himself, mentioning his representation of three-fifths of Portsmouth. He shared his background, including his education at the US Coast Guard Academy and his career in energy efficiency and renewable energy. Reynolds mentioned his involvement in the Exxon Valdez oil spill response, his work on the Energy Star program at the EPA, and his subsequent roles at various organizations, including the Union of Concerned Scientists and Johnson Controls. He now owns a bicycle touring company and enjoys swimming, biking, running, hockey, baseball, and woodworking.
Unclear: Representative Lex Bney, representing Grafton District 11 (Grafton, Alexandria, Hebron, and Groton), NH Information Only00:53:51.160 - 8:54:42 AM; Representative Lex Bney introduced himself, sharing his background and journey to New Hampshire. Originally from Ukraine, he immigrated to the US at the age of seven and completed his education in Arlington, Virginia. He entered the software industry during high school but lost his job following the 9/11 attacks. After moving to Grafton in 2006, he joined the local fire department and has been serving as its secretary. This is his third term on the committee, which he joined expecting to utilize his technology background but found it focused on energy issues.
Unclear: Representative Tony Kaplan, representing Merrimack 8 (Heniker, Bradford, and Warner), NH Information Only00:55:29.119 - 8:56:20 AM; Representative Tony Kaplan introduced himself, detailing his diverse background. Born in Venezuela to American parents, he grew up there until age 12 before moving to Connecticut for high school. After graduating from Yale with a degree in American Studies, he worked in journalism across various locations including Mexico City, Central America, and London. Transitioning into nonprofit activism, he influenced Ireland's climate change policies. Upon returning to the US, he taught high school Spanish for 20 years and engaged in local energy and Democratic committees in Henniker, leading to his third term on the committee due to his interest in energy issues.
Unclear: Representative Rita Matson, representing Dublin, NH Information Only00:58:03.240 - 8:58:54 AM; Representative Rita Matson shared her background and reasons for joining the committee. A long-time resident of New Hampshire, she has been involved in various trades including plumbing and building, with a particular interest in industrial mechanics. Her husband and son's work with Eversource sparked her interest in energy. She enjoys hobbies like riding motorcycles, building dollhouses, and painting, and looks forward to contributing to the committee.
Unclear: Representative John LaRochelle, representing Strafford 19 (Rochester), NH Information Only00:59:16.559 - 9:00:07 AM; Representative John LaRochelle introduced himself, outlining his life and career. Born and raised in Rochester, he studied chemistry at the University of New Hampshire and pursued graduate studies in Iowa before being drafted into the military. After returning to academia and teaching, he joined DuPont for 20 years, working on pesticide development. Returning to Rochester after his first wife's divorce and his second wife's passing, he became interested in public service due to his upbringing and joined the committee with a keen interest in science and technology.
Unclear: Representative John Schellner, representing Bedford, NH Information Only01:01:44.319 - 9:02:35 AM; Representative John Schellner introduced himself, highlighting his diverse career and community involvement. After serving on Bedford's school board and town council, he joined the state legislature. His career spanned Wall Street and technology, currently serving as CFO at a fintech company. His interest in energy stems from the convergence of agriculture and energy, and he enjoys community activities such as selling Christmas trees and coaching lacrosse.
Unclear: Representative Dale Swanson, representing Ward 1 (Nashua), NH Information Only01:04:32.240 - 9:05:23 AM; Representative Dale Swanson introduced himself, sharing his military and tech career. Growing up in Minnesota, he pursued his dream of flying, joining the Air Force Academy and later serving as a navigator and in various operational roles, including during Desert Storm. After retiring from the military, he worked in technology, particularly in mission planning and weather systems. Recently moving back to New Hampshire, he joined the committee, excited about public service and enjoying activities like scuba diving and running with his grandchildren.
Unclear: Jared Chakin, Commissioner of the New Hampshire Department of Energy Information Only01:11:31.760 - 9:12:22 AM; Commissioner Jared Chakin introduced the session by welcoming the committee and highlighting the role of the Department of Energy. He emphasized that the department, established in 2021, is one of the newer state agencies and its mission involves a diverse range of responsibilities despite its relatively small size. Chakin outlined the organizational structure, mentioning the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) and the Office of the Consumer Advocate as administratively attached entities. He detailed the four divisions within the Department of Energy: Policy and Program, Consumer Services, Enforcement, and Regulatory, each with specific roles and responsibilities. Chakin stressed the department's role in energy policy, legislative support, and emergency preparedness, and noted the department's presence in most legislative hearings to assist with questions.
Unclear: Chris Elms, Deputy Commissioner of the New Hampshire Department of Energy Information Only01:23:12.880 - 9:24:03 AM; Deputy Commissioner Chris Elms continued the presentation by discussing the department's regulatory responsibilities and the complexities involved in managing utility rates and public policy costs. He highlighted the department's involvement in various PUC proceedings, such as rate cases and investigations, and the importance of these in the context of legislative considerations. Elms also addressed regional electricity issues, emphasizing New Hampshire's unique policy approach focused on cost and reliability rather than decarbonization, which differs from neighboring states. He raised concerns about asset condition projects and their impact on transmission costs, and discussed winter reliability issues, pointing out the challenges associated with gas pipeline constraints and the reliance on oil for electric generation.
Unclear: Representative Kaplan Information Only01:34:00.080 - 9:34:51 AM; Representative Kaplan asked about New Hampshire's goal-oriented approach in relation to the clean energy transition outlined in the ISO New England report. He sought clarification on how New Hampshire's energy policy aligns with long-term demand scenarios compared to the regional clean energy goals.
Unclear: Chris Elms, Deputy Commissioner of the New Hampshire Department of Energy Information Only01:34:57.520 - 9:35:48 AM; In response to Representative Kaplan, Deputy Commissioner Elms explained New Hampshire's technology-neutral and goal-oriented approach to energy policy. He emphasized that the state focuses on identifying specific goals such as price and reliability rather than promoting specific energy resources, allowing the market to find the most efficient solutions to meet those goals. He highlighted the potential inefficiencies of picking winners and losers in energy policy.
Unclear: Representative Summers Information Only01:36:09.320 - 9:37:00 AM; Representative Summers inquired about the status of the PUC's docket on laddering electrical rates and the percentage of power generation in New Hampshire compared to the ISO New England region. He sought to understand the department's stance on laddering and the impact of the Mystic power plant closure in Massachusetts.
Unclear: Chris Elms, Deputy Commissioner of the New Hampshire Department of Energy Information Only01:36:56.560 - 9:37:47 AM; Deputy Commissioner Elms responded to Representative Summers by discussing the PUC's approach to procuring default service electricity through a more market-based method, including increasing market exposure to potentially save ratepayers money. He noted that the conversation around laddering has been put on hold but the focus has shifted towards utility self-supply. Regarding New Hampshire's power generation, he estimated that the state produces between 15% and 20% of the ISO New England's total power.
Unclear: Representative Corman Information Only01:41:29.040 - 9:42:20 AM; Representative Corman expressed concern about the asset condition projects mentioned by Deputy Commissioner Elms, questioning the underlying issues despite the apparent need for maintaining reliability. He sought further explanation on the potential problems with these projects.
Unclear: Chris Elms, Deputy Commissioner of the New Hampshire Department of Energy Information Only01:42:20.040 - 9:43:11 AM; In response to Representative Corman, Deputy Commissioner Elms clarified that while maintaining reliability is crucial, the concern lies in the level of spending and whether it is necessary and efficient. He highlighted the lack of regulatory oversight for asset condition projects, which could lead to excessive spending on maintenance without stakeholder input or review. He stressed the importance of regulatory oversight to ensure spending is justified and effective.
Unclear: Wendy Thomas Information Only01:44:37.000 - 9:45:28 AM; Wendy Thomas inquired about whether temperature changes through 2032 had been factored into winter reliability projections, specifically referencing slide 15. The response indicated that analyses from ISO New England and other resources were utilized, but the Department of Energy (DOE) did not conduct the analysis directly. These studies accounted for various weather and climate projections.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only01:45:25.760 - 9:46:16 AM; An unnamed speaker elaborated on the ISO New England study which extended projections out to 2032 and considered the most extreme winter scenarios, using the winter of 1962 as a benchmark. The study found the current resource mix to be adequate for reliability, assuming anticipated retirements and new resources proceed as planned.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only01:46:18.199 - 9:47:09 AM; The speaker addressed concerns about summer reliability, noting that the electrical system is currently summer-peaking but expected to shift to winter-peaking. The winter issue involves ensuring sufficient fuel supply during extended cold snaps, while summer peaks are more about handling acute peak demand.
Unclear: Doug Thomas Information Only01:46:59.800 - 9:47:50 AM; Doug Thomas discussed the potential of small-scale nuclear technology, noting interest from ISO New England and the EU. He inquired about the Department of Energy's efforts to facilitate investment in this technology in New Hampshire. The response highlighted that the DOE is reviewing obstacles to nuclear power development, and the legislature had expanded the DOE's responsibilities to include energy innovation, including the hiring of a nuclear coordinator.
Unclear: Bernardi Information Only01:50:39.320 - 9:51:30 AM; Bernardi questioned the realism and cost implications of the projected build-outs of wind and solar as per the ISO New England report. The response indicated challenges in siting infrastructure in New Hampshire and the high costs of offshore wind, with a recent solicitation in New York at $150 per megawatt hour. The speaker also mentioned delays in offshore wind projects affecting reliability projections.
Unclear: McGee Information Only01:53:35.119 - 9:54:26 AM; McGee asked about the DOE's engagement in determining least-cost energy outcomes and the state's trajectory towards managing emissions and costs. The response noted the DOE's mandate to focus on cost and affordability rather than decarbonization, as per legislative directives. The speaker also mentioned exploring alternative regulatory structures to insulate New Hampshire from regional cost shifting.
Unclear: SW Swanson Information Only01:57:54.239 - 9:58:45 AM; SW Swanson discussed personal investment in solar panels and the importance of investing in future technologies. They raised concerns about the state's plan for energy over the next 25 years and its reliance on fossil fuels. The response from the DOE clarified that there is no current plan to transition entirely off fossil fuels, and the focus is on maintaining reliability and low cost, as mandated by the legislature.
Unclear: Josh Elliott Information Only02:04:14.880 - 10:05:05 AM; Josh Elliott, Director of the Division of Policy and Programs at the New Hampshire Department of Energy, provided a detailed overview of the Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS). He explained the RPS's purpose, the classes of renewable energy certificates (RECs), and how they are traded and retired. Elliott noted that the RPS plateaus at 25.2% in 2025 and discussed the upcoming review of the RPS and the state energy strategy. He also addressed questions about the economic impacts and tracking of RECs.
Unclear: Corman Information Only02:30:44.319 - 10:31:35 AM; Corman asked about the significant drop in REC costs in 2023 and how individual RECs are tracked. The response indicated that the drop was due to a confluence of factors, primarily related to the alternative compliance payment (ACP). RECs are tracked through the NEPOOL GIS system, ensuring they are sold and retired only once.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:33:17.439 - 10:34:08 AM; The speaker discussed the increasing costs of Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs) and how policy decisions in other states influence REC trading across the region. They highlighted how Massachusetts's decision to exclude class three RECs from their Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) affects the regional market.
Unclear: Representative Summers Information Only02:34:03.560 - 10:34:54 AM; Representative Summers asked about the classification of RECs and mentioned that Massachusetts had excluded class three RECs from their RPS due to environmental concerns. They also inquired if legislation was needed to define nuclear power as renewable and include it as a class in the RPS.
Unclear: Representative Parial Information Only02:34:53.439 - 10:35:44 AM; Representative Parial questioned the practice of REC sweeping to avoid alternative compliance payments. They asked if this practice should be reviewed in the upcoming 2025 review, highlighting the need for policy clarification or changes to address this issue.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:35:41.840 - 10:36:32 AM; The speaker explained REC sweeping as a settlement process where smaller suppliers might not register with NEPOOL GIS to generate and sell RECs due to the effort and cost involved. They discussed how utility companies acquire these RECs through net metering and use them to meet class two requirements in New Hampshire, avoiding double counting.
Unclear: Representative Wendy Thomas Information Only02:37:05.319 - 10:37:56 AM; Representative Wendy Thomas asked about the fate of RECs if they are not purchased during an auction, specifically if they could be rolled over or expire. The response clarified that utilities can bank RECs for future use, and they have a two-year expiration from the time they are minted.
Unclear: Representative Rolds Information Only02:38:54.560 - 10:39:45 AM; Representative Rolds inquired about the reasons behind the drop in RPS compliance costs from 2019 to 2023. The speaker attributed this to a regional phenomenon of increased REC availability, leading to lower costs, and noted recent changes in the biomass market.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:40:50.840 - 10:41:41 AM; The speaker confirmed that the discussed chart was specific to New Hampshire and contrasted the state's compliance costs with those of Massachusetts, which has multiple energy standards and higher spending on such programs.
Unclear: Representative Swanson Information Only02:41:39.319 - 10:42:30 AM; Representative Swanson, with a background in astro engineering, asked how the RPS had affected the energy production mix in New Hampshire over the last 15 years. The response indicated a significant shift from oil and coal to natural gas, driven more by economics than policy, but noted that future mixes could be influenced by state policies.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:44:20.240 - 10:45:11 AM; The speaker thanked the presenters and announced a lunch break, with a plan to reconvene at 1:00 PM to hear from the Public Utilities Commission. They mentioned a missed discussion on public hearings and executive sessions during the morning orientation, suggesting it be rescheduled for a future session depending on the committee's energy and stamina.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:44:20.240 - 10:45:11 AM; The speaker concluded their remarks at 02:44:20.240, marking the end of their segment in the meeting.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:00:09.720 - 12:01:00 PM; The meeting resumed at 04:00:09.720 with the chair welcoming the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) to present. The chair of the PUC, Dan Goldner, began the presentation with an introduction and overview, followed by Commissioner Del Arano discussing the PUC process and Commissioner Chetto PTI covering rate-based state and regional proceedings.
Unclear: Dan Goldner, Chair of the PUC Information Only04:01:02.800 - 12:01:53 PM; Dan Goldner provided a detailed overview of the PUC's role and responsibilities. He highlighted the commission's regulatory scope, which includes about $7 billion in assets and $2 billion in annual revenue, primarily from electric and gas utilities. Goldner explained the necessity of the PUC as a check and balance against monopolies, ensuring fair pricing and service quality. He also discussed the legislative changes from July 2021 that restructured the PUC, emphasizing its separation from the Department of Energy (DOE) to ensure impartial decision-making. He noted the PUC's smaller size post-reorganization, with three Commissioners and 12 staff, and the importance of having a counterparty to the monopoly, whether within the DOE, the AG's office, or the commission itself.
Unclear: Commissioner Del Arano Information Only04:09:35.600 - 12:10:26 PM; Commissioner Del Arano discussed the dual regulatory roles of state and federal governments in the energy sector. He emphasized the federal jurisdiction under the Federal Power Act for interstate commerce and the state's role in regulating intrastate commerce. He highlighted the PUC's jurisdiction over rate proceedings, tariff adjustments, and other utility operations. Del Arano also explained the New Hampshire energy policy, which balances the needs of ratepayers and regulated utilities, aiming for safe, reliable, and environmentally sensitive energy delivery.
Unclear: Commissioner Chetto PTI Information Only04:28:51.800 - 12:29:42 PM; Commissioner Chetto PTI focused on the PUC's role in setting rates and fostering a competitive environment. He mentioned ongoing rate cases and the importance of ensuring rates are just and reasonable. He discussed the impact of moving towards self-supply of energy, which could reduce costs for residential customers by bypassing third-party suppliers' markups. He also touched on the regional landscape, emphasizing New Hampshire's participation in ISO New England and the importance of linking retail and wholesale market competition.
Unclear: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:45:12.080 - 12:46:03 PM; The chair praised the PUC's presentation as one of the best they had seen, appreciating the comprehensive handbook provided by the Commissioners. They highlighted its value as a reference for legislative work in the upcoming year.
Unclear: Representative Bernardi Information Only04:45:27.200 - 12:46:18 PM; Representative Bernardi inquired about the potential for legal action against states blocking natural gas pipelines, suggesting a possible violation of interstate commerce. Commissioner Chetto PTI responded cautiously, mentioning the importance of gas access for winter preparedness but not commenting on legal aspects.
Unclear: Representative Carman Information Only04:48:17.280 - 12:49:08 PM; Representative Carman asked about the PUC's enforcement role. Chair Goldner clarified that enforcement and audit responsibilities had shifted to the DOE, indicating no such functions remain with the PUC.
Unclear: Representative Wendy Thomas Information Only04:50:22.040 - 12:51:13 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas inquired about the PUC's ethics code and its enforcement. Commissioner Del Arano explained that the PUC is subject to the executive branch's ethics code, enforced by the Attorney General's office and the ethics oversight board, and also follows statutory ethical provisions.
Unclear: Representative McGee Information Only04:51:21.840 - 12:52:12 PM; Representative McGee asked about fostering retail competition and the use of technology-dependent attributes like time-of-use rates and real-time pricing. Commissioner Chetto PTI discussed the ongoing work on demand response and technology platforms to enable retail customer participation in wholesale markets, emphasizing the potential for residential customers to extract value during peak demand times.
Unclear: Representative Paral Information Only04:55:02.760 - 12:55:53 PM; Representative Paral questioned the unique contributions of the Office of the Consumer Advocate and interveners in PUC proceedings. Commissioner Del Arano explained that while the Office of the Consumer Advocate focuses on ratepayer interests and does not participate in every docket, the Department of Energy participates automatically. He noted that the input from interveners can vary but generally aligns with the broader interests represented by the DOE and the consumer advocate.
Unclear: Representative Wendy Thomas Information Only04:57:22.480 - 12:58:13 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas asked clarifying questions about the responsibilities of sewage disposal and biosolids, specifically if it included land spreading of sludge. She also inquired about the use of the word 'should' versus 'shall' in the context of the DOE providing support, referencing specific statutory provisions.
Unclear: Representative PL Information Only04:58:47.400 - 12:59:38 PM; Representative PL asked about the transparency and oversight of the docket process concerning rate changes. He was interested in understanding the ethical and authority aspects of looking into the docket to see what transpired between the opening of the docket and the final decision. The discussion clarified that the Commissioners' deliberations are not part of the public record to allow for frank discussions, but the process itself is part of the public record.
Unclear: Representative Swanson Information Only05:02:33.280 - 1:03:24 PM; Representative Swanson asked about the focus on reducing costs versus the need for long-term investment in power generation facilities. He raised concerns about how utilities plan for future demand and the role of the wholesale market in encouraging investment in new generation facilities. The response clarified that New Hampshire utilities are distribution-only since deregulation and purchase power from the wholesale market, and that ISO New England manages a queue for new generation facilities.
Unclear: Commissioner Chad Parlier Information Only05:05:02.280 - 1:05:53 PM; Commissioner Chad Parlier explained the transition from utilities purchasing power from third parties to directly from the wholesale market, describing it as cutting out the middleman to achieve lower prices. He discussed the current mix of power purchasing methods used by utilities like Eversource, Liberty, and Unitil, and how ISO New England manages the wholesale market and plans for future generation facilities.
Unclear: Mr. Del Orano Information Only05:09:00.280 - 1:09:51 PM; Mr. Del Orano provided clarity on how renewable energy developers, including solar, operate as price takers in the current market. He explained that developers model their economics around the wholesale price and other incentives like RPS and tax credits to make investment decisions, contrasting this with the past vertically integrated utility system where utilities made long-term investment decisions based on forecasted demand.
Unclear: Molly Connors, Analyst, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:14:56.040 - 1:15:47 PM; Molly Connors introduced herself and the New England Power Generators Association, explaining that they represent non-utility-owned power plants in New England. She provided statistics on the capacity and diversity of power generation in New England and specifically in New Hampshire, and discussed the historical context of restructuring and its impact on efficiency and investment in power generation.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:22:34.280 - 1:23:25 PM; Dan Dolan discussed the challenges and opportunities of different energy resources, particularly the high capital cost of small modular nuclear reactors versus the lower cost but higher operating costs of natural gas plants. He expressed optimism about the long-term potential of small modular reactors but noted the current challenge of needing initial projects to demonstrate viability.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:22:34.280 - 1:23:25 PM; Dan Dolan discussed the energy sector's transition and future outlook. He highlighted the growth of renewable energy in New England, which now constitutes nearly 20% of the region's energy mix, driven by legacy hydro facilities, wind, and solar. He addressed the retiring of older generation facilities and the push towards renewable replacements, particularly in Southern New England. Dolan emphasized the challenge of increasing electricity demand and the need for reliable supply mix and investment. He also spoke about bottlenecks in project development, focusing on siting and financing issues, and the tension between local control and statewide needs in New Hampshire. Lastly, he mentioned ongoing efforts to redesign wholesale electricity markets to better account for reliability and the environmental attributes of resources.
Unclear: Representative Kaplan Information Only05:24:50.440 - 1:25:41 PM; Representative Kaplan asked about the prospects for utility-scale renewable generation, specifically offshore wind, in light of discussions on the renewable portfolio standard and market forces over the next 10-20 years. The question was aimed at understanding the outlook from a generator's perspective.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:25:36.840 - 1:26:27 PM; In response to Representative Kaplan's question, Dolan elaborated on the significant growth in renewable energy development in New England. He pointed out that renewables now make up nearly 20% of the region's energy production, driven by legacy hydro facilities on the Connecticut River in New Hampshire, as well as growing segments of large-scale wind and solar. He also mentioned the first commercial-scale offshore wind facility, Vineyard Wind, off the coast of Massachusetts, and the continued opportunities for renewable energy development.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:26:33.920 - 1:27:24 PM; Dolan further discussed the energy sector's transition, noting that the current period marks a significant shift with older generation facilities retiring and being replaced by renewable resources. He emphasized the need for a reliable supply mix in the future and the importance of price signals and investment in supporting this transition. He highlighted the challenge of maintaining reliability as demand increases and mentioned the rhythm of the electricity market, which has seen significant changes roughly every decade.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:27:19.160 - 1:28:10 PM; Dolan continued to discuss the retirement of older generation facilities and the push towards renewable replacements, particularly in Southern New England. He mentioned the entering into decades-long contracts to support new renewable facilities, balancing the loss of about 3,000 megawatts of existing facilities with new renewable capacity. He noted the unique challenge of increasing demand and the need to ensure that entry and exit signals align to maintain reliability.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:28:05.680 - 1:28:56 PM; Dolan elaborated on the increasing demand for electricity and the challenge of ensuring that entry and exit signals in the market align to maintain reliability. He noted that while demand is currently increasing slowly, there is a responsibility to examine what would happen if it accelerates. He emphasized the importance of maintaining reliability as the economy further electrifies.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:28:53.718 - 1:29:44 PM; Dolan discussed the bottlenecks to ensuring that entry and exit signals align with increasing demand, focusing on siting and financing. He mentioned New Hampshire's recent reform of its siting statute and the tension between local control and statewide societal needs. He also spoke about the ongoing redesign of wholesale electricity markets to better account for reliability and the environmental attributes of resources.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:29:41.240 - 1:30:32 PM; Dolan further discussed the challenges of siting and financing large-scale projects in New Hampshire, highlighting the tension between local control and statewide societal needs. He mentioned the recent legislation in Massachusetts aimed at streamlining project siting and the need for a more granular and sharply focused market design to facilitate financing for new resources.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:30:32.120 - 1:31:23 PM; Dolan continued to discuss the challenges of siting and financing, emphasizing the tension between local control and statewide societal needs in New Hampshire. He mentioned the recent legislation in Massachusetts aimed at streamlining project siting and the need for a more granular and sharply focused market design to facilitate financing for new resources.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:31:21.958 - 1:32:12 PM; Dolan discussed the challenges of siting and financing large-scale projects in New Hampshire, highlighting the tension between local control and statewide societal needs. He mentioned the recent legislation in Massachusetts aimed at streamlining project siting and the need for a more granular and sharply focused market design to facilitate financing for new resources.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:32:12.240 - 1:33:03 PM; Dolan continued to discuss the challenges of siting and financing, emphasizing the tension between local control and statewide societal needs in New Hampshire. He mentioned the recent legislation in Massachusetts aimed at streamlining project siting and the need for a more granular and sharply focused market design to facilitate financing for new resources.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:32:58.920 - 1:33:49 PM; Dolan discussed the challenges of siting and financing, emphasizing the tension between local control and statewide societal needs in New Hampshire. He mentioned the recent legislation in Massachusetts aimed at streamlining project siting and the need for a more granular and sharply focused market design to facilitate financing for new resources.
Unclear: Representative Corman Information Only05:33:22.200 - 1:34:13 PM; Representative Corman asked about the interconnection queue and the role of storage in the energy sector, mentioning Schiller and Merrimack stations and the Form Energy project in Maine. He was interested in how storage fits into the generators' operations and the challenges of the interconnection queue.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:34:09.558 - 1:35:00 PM; Dolan responded to Representative Corman's questions about storage and interconnection. He explained that storage can move generation from one period to another, creating efficiencies in the system. He highlighted the value of storage, particularly 2-4 hour batteries, for moving power within a day. He also discussed the challenges of multi-day cold snaps and the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:34:58.878 - 1:35:49 PM; Dolan continued to discuss the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:35:48.440 - 1:36:39 PM; Dolan discussed the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:36:41.798 - 1:37:32 PM; Dolan discussed the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:37:43.280 - 1:38:34 PM; Dolan discussed the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:38:28.760 - 1:39:19 PM; Dolan discussed the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:39:05.638 - 1:39:56 PM; Dolan discussed the role of storage, emphasizing its value in moving power within a day and the challenges of multi-day cold snaps. He highlighted the potential benefits of multi-day storage systems like the Form Energy project in Maine. On interconnection, he noted improvements at ISO New England but acknowledged ongoing challenges.
Unclear: Representative Bernardy Information Only05:39:05.638 - 1:39:56 PM; Representative Bernardy asked about the 800% increase in transmission rates since 2004, seeking the drivers of this increase and potential solutions. Dolan explained that the increase is due to an aging transmission network needing reinvestment and the economic incentives created by the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which encouraged utilities to focus on transmission and distribution improvements.
Unclear: Dan Dolan, President, New England Power Generators Association Information Only05:40:05.120 - 1:40:56 PM; Dolan explained that the 800% increase in transmission rates since 2004 is due to an aging transmission network needing reinvestment and the economic incentives created by the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which encouraged utilities to focus on transmission and distribution improvements. He highlighted the challenges of balancing affordability, reliability, and environmental considerations in the energy sector.
Unclear: Representative McGee Information Only06:15:31.280 - 2:16:22 PM; Representative McGee inquired about the rule changes concerning tie votes in committee sessions. It was clarified that the rule was changed the previous Wednesday, allowing the committee chair to designate the first motion when a bill goes to the House floor without a recommendation.
Unclear: Representative Corman Information Only06:16:25.240 - 2:17:16 PM; Representative Corman sought clarification on the procedure when there is no recommendation from the committee, specifically regarding the final motion. It was explained that if neither motion passed, it would result in no recommendation. Additionally, there was a discussion about the order of motions when amendments are involved.
Unclear: Representative Bernardy Information Only06:17:27.040 - 2:18:18 PM; Representative Bernardy confirmed the process for amendments and no recommendation motions. They emphasized that amendments are first voted on, and if passed, they are incorporated into an 'ought to pass as amended' motion.
Unclear: Chair Information Only06:18:14.360 - 2:19:05 PM; The Chair addressed the process for handling amendments and motions, stating that amendments are voted on first, and if approved, they are included in the subsequent 'ought to pass as amended' motion. The Chair also mentioned upcoming training sessions where these processes might be further clarified.
Unclear: Representative Thomas Information Only06:20:13.440 - 2:21:04 PM; Representative Thomas discussed the variability in how different committees handle amendments, mentioning a specific instance where a bill required immediate amendment after coming from another committee. The Chair advised submitting amendment language in written testimony for committee members to consider.
Unclear: Representative Parshall Information Only06:22:05.320 - 2:22:56 PM; Representative Parshall confirmed that committees have the authority to modify amendment language as offered. The Chair added that committee reports, whether majority or minority, should reflect facts from public hearings and not personal opinions.
Unclear: Vice Chair Thomas Information Only06:23:55.120 - 2:24:46 PM; Vice Chair Thomas emphasized the importance of timely submission of committee reports and the process for handling them. They suggested writing reports in advance to avoid last-minute hassles and noted the timeline for submitting reports.
Unclear: Chair Information Only06:24:58.400 - 2:25:49 PM; The Chair introduced new committee staff members, Davis Allen as the new committee researcher and Robin as the new administrator, and provided information on how to request electronic documents and the importance of checking emails for committee activity notices.
Unclear: Vice Chair Thomas Information Only06:27:26.798 - 2:28:17 PM; Vice Chair Thomas encouraged new members to provide personal email addresses for better communication within the committee, especially for field trips or other events.
Unclear: Representative McGee Information Only06:28:19.558 - 2:29:10 PM; Representative McGee informed the committee of an upcoming change in email addresses from Dole to gc.nh.gov, effective on the 21st of the month.
Unclear: Representative Parshall Information Only06:29:14.718 - 2:30:05 PM; Representative Parshall inquired about a time change for a meeting, which was clarified by the Chair as pertaining to a public hearing scheduled for the next day at 3:30 PM instead of 4:00 PM to avoid overtime issues.
Unclear: Chair Information Only06:30:05.040 - 2:30:56 PM; The Chair addressed concerns about the time limit for the upcoming public hearing, stating that if necessary, speaking time would be limited to ensure everyone who signed up could testify. The Chair expressed optimism and enthusiasm for the new session and the committee's work ahead.

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